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October 19, 2009

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Karen Vaughan

Fascinating reworking of the common paradigm, but there is also the consumption of carnivores and other animals by mites, fungii, and other microbiota. They are consuming me as I write, which makes most of the vegetarian arguments, based on that inaccurate pyramid irrelevant.

Eric Johnson

Interesting stuff. Is this as true in grasslands as it is in the forest? It seems like tons of ruminants manage to make the economics of grass cellulose work for them. There are also folivores in the proper sense, which eat trees, but they seem to be fewer in biomass and diversity if my nonscientific impressions are right. Are they more predation-limited for some reason than grazers? Do grasses bleed more energy to the Green Feeders than trees do? Are any herbivores limited malthusianly (by parasites and intraspecific competition & violence)? Or is there always an apex predator that can trim them down? (Lions of course used to exist in the New World, until quite recently.)

One theory, which I just made up after reading wikipedia[folivores], is based on the observation that flying animals are rarely folivores because the amount of cellulose digesta they'd need to hold is so heavy. It says that folivorous bats chew leaves and soon eject the recalcitrant material such as cellulose, which tallies with this. My suggestion is that the same thing may apply more weakly to climbers, so there are less folivores than grazers. Cows are much freer than monkeys to carry around many kg of digesta, as well as the more massive digestive tract needed to deal with that stuff.

This post of John Dennehy's might be relevant:
http://evilutionarybiologist.blogspot.com/2008/06/this-weeks-citation-classic-world-is.html

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