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November 09, 2009

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Debby Siegele

Luria wasn't an author on Bertani's 1951 paper that intorduced LB medium, but he was Bertani's advisor at the University of Illinois.

elio

Many thanks, Mark. I wish I could say that people were acronym-shy in the old days, but that's probably not the case. But maybe Bertani was.

Elio

Mark Silby

Regarding the name "LB", here it is from the man himself (in the postscript):

http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/full/186/3/595?view=long&pmid=14729683

Michael Yarmolinsky

When members of my lab in Paris, in the 1970s, were
studying various thermosensitive E.coli strains carrying mutations in
genes of DNA synthesis (many in dnaB and some in other genes) we
(including Dick D'Ari) found that the thermosensitivity of several of
these strains depended critically on whether LB was made up with 5g/l or
10g/l NaCl.

Jonathan Galt

I also found the D'Ari article intriguing. Enjoyed the interesting and lucid further discussion here.

Seems like a logical extension would be some discussion of LB alternatives: what media might we standardize on for general-purpose bacterial growth at a good rate that are suitable for meaningful physiological studies? Are the broths commonly used for plasmid preps or in cloning, such as Terrific Broth or SOC, more desirable? Certainly, they support additional growth and include divalent cations and carbohydrates, but perhaps the emphasis on rapid growth would suggest these also aren't the best choices. Other ideas?

Elio replies:
I was afraid of that! It's easy to knock L broth but not so easy to come up with a substitute. In my view, SOC is more desirable than Terrific, being that SOC contains minerals and glucose. It's merit has been to increase transformation efficiency in E. coli. I don't know if sufficient physiological measurements have been made to warrant recommending it for general use. Any ideas about how to reach consensus?

Francisco P. Chavez

Another interesting point is the source of LB components. I realize few years ago that depending on the Triptone and/or Yeast extract used in the plates we observed great differences in siderophore formation in Pseudomonas.
This fact support the inappropriate choice of LB medium for studies wherein reproducibility is required.

Elio replies:
Thank you for adding yet another reason why this medium should be avoided in physiological research.

richard d'ari

Richard D'Ari writes:

Thank you for your interesting article on LB broth. Let’s hope that it’s heeded by those studying bacterial physiology! I have a few minor comments.

(1) You point out that Bertani’s 1951 medium, the ancestor of today’s LB broth, differed from present recipes in that it contained 1 mg/ml glucose. Another difference is that many recipes used today call for the addition of 1 mM CaCl2 after autoclaving. This is relevant with respect to your concern that LB broth may be limiting in divalent cations.

(2) You say that growth "usually stops ... when the OD600 reaches around 2". We routinely find a higher final OD600, between 5 and 7, although the growth rate between 2 and 5+ is very slow. This slow period nevertheless triples the growth yield, so it’s a true growth phase.

(3) We found that if one continues cultivating the cells beyond the maximum OD600, the OD actually drops. Typically, if a culture reached an OD600 of 7 after 48 hours, its OD then dropped reproducibly to around 5 in the next day or two. There was no detectable lysis and no decrease in protein/ml. This drop in OD600 may reflect a reduction in cell size (for a given level of protein/ml, smaller cells are known to scatter less light than larger cells).

Brian J. Wilkinson

Thank you to Hiroshi for drawing attention to our work on divalent cations and the structure function of the Paracoccus denitrificans outer membrane. This was pure curiosity driven research done back in the day when this seemed a perfectly reasonable thing to do. I never applied for a grant to work on this organism. I was first introduced to Paracoccus in Dave White's lab at the University of Kentucky in the early 70s when Lucille Smith brought it to the lab. The bacterium attracted notoriety because its electron transport chain was the most similar to that of the mitochondrion.

Cesar Sanchez

Very interesting article! LB was a source of confusion to me during my research years. Depending on who I asked about it (or which book/journal I read), LB was either translated as "Luria broth" or "Luria-Bertani". But the composition was the big problem: different recipes for LB were even used in the same lab without anybody noticing (or caring about it)! It's true that most people only used LB in that lab for producing plasmid DNA in E. coli, but it was sporadically used for other purposes and other bacteria... So much for reproducibility!

On an aside note:

Congratulations to Elio and Merry, and all the guest bloggers of Small Things Considered, for the non-profit public relations award from PR News for best blog!

A news release can be found at EurekAlert!:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-11/asfm-stc111109.php

List of winners at PR News Online:
http://www.prnewsonline.com/awards/nonprofit2009-winners.html

Tom Schmidt

In regards to the requirement for Ca++ to stabilize the outer membrane, there was a short note in the Journal of Bacteriology (179:3350–3353) several years ago that highlights the requirement for Ca++ to retain normal cellular morphology in Deinococci. The article shows through microscopy the consequences of a medium with insufficient calcium, or when the calcium is chelated with EGTA, so the requirement for specific divalent cations is widespread phylogenetically as well!

Paul Orwin

For a microbiologist edging ever closer to middle age, I think this is a very useful article (the part about glucose in the original formulation in particular). I only use LB for molecular work, because messing with the medium changes the antibiotic sensitivity. Possibly a topic for another post? If you are working with environmental bugs, a teeny tiny amount of Yeast Extract will make lots of things grow, and when you see how they grow, you will wonder why you added all that extra stuff! Lots of stuff (esp fungi, but some bacteria too) will grow on water agar too (or pbs agar)! A real eye opener for students...

Bojan Shutinoski

Thank you for this nice article! It is eye opening article for young researchers like me.

Elio replies: Glad to hear that you feel that way. It should be an even greater eye-opener for some seasoned researchers who insist on using LB just because it's what others before them have done. Let us hope that younger investigators will avoid the mistakes of their elders.

Tony Hui

Can you provide the references for "He established that aspartate and arginine (and later serine and cysteine were also added to this group) are used first, while other amino acids (such as leucine and valine) are not used until the cells enter the second phase."? I'm a graduate student who is also interested in growth on amino acids as nitrogen sources. Thanks!

Jonathan Badger

Interesting that you mention that besides the limitations of the broth itself, there is the misconception about the name. I was a grad student in the same department in Urbana as Bertani was (although forty some years later), and we called it just "Luria Broth" -- and Luria wasn't even an author on the paper which introduced the broth!

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