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March 01, 2010

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Nathan Myers

We might say that genes are just the global membrane's way of helping arrange to produce more membrane.

According to Nick Lane, we're all made of archaea that replaced their dull archaeal membranes with shinier ones torn from their internal captives. Evidently that view is not universally held.

Bicelle

Kudos to the author for making such an excellent blog. It will certainly help many others.
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Frank Harold

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Reply to Donald Tipper: Thank you, that brings the total number of hypotheses to explain the origin of the eukaryotes to 21 (if I remember correctly, Bill Martin in a review listed twenty). As you say, none of them is particularly persuasive. My own preference is for a distinct primary lineage, as first envisaged by Carl Woese. However, that idea also fails to provide an immediate explanation for the nucleus, so a lot of hand-waving is required.


Reply to Barry: That is an excellent question, and I do not know the answer. It is probably buried in the torrent of molecular studies on the biosynthesis of chloroplast membranes, and I hope you run across it.


Reply to Abe Eisenstark: Yes, many points of resemblance. One is that mitochondrial and eubacterial membranes both contain cardiolipin but lack cholesterol: eukaryotic membranes lack cardiolipin but have lots of cholesterol.


The outer mitochondrial membrane resembles the eubacterial ones in its permeability properties, in both cases due to porins. The most striking similarities come at the level of membrane proteins, such as the respiratory chains (those of liver mitochondria are all but identical to those of the non-sulfur purple bacteria), and the F1F0-ATP Synthase.

Donald Tipper

While the membrane issue is old news to me ( I spent quite a few years trying to analyze the mechanisms controlling transmembrane protein orientation on insertion at at the ER in yeast), I did not know about the Ignicoccus structure. Besides being a candidate as an endosybiont, it is tempting to wonder whether it could have directly evolved into a protoeukaryote by producing something llke a nuclear pore in the cytoplasmic membrane, initially allowing large scale protein translocation and eventually allowing transfer of RNA and the protein synthetic machinery to the periplasm. No hypotheses for nuclear evolution seem particularly plausible...

Donald Tipper

Mark O. Martin


In fact, there is some evidence that some bacteria have membrane bound compartments similar in setup to those found in eukaryotes---an internal membrane system? It is our friend the very strange planktomycetes.

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000281

I'm sure Elio and Merry are writing about this one! Besides, it has the very cool term "eukaryogenesis."

barry

fascinating story!

on membrane polarity: I recently began reading about chloroplasts. many of their proteins are synthesized outside, coded by nuclear genes. To get where they need to go, in either of the chloroplast membranes, in either of the orientations must require some specific sequences on the proteins?

But if these nuclear genes came from the original engulfed cyanobacteria, it must have coded the proteins to insert into the membranes from the INSIDE. the sequences of membranes to traverse and the orientations would be the reverse.

Does this present a problem to be explained? or do i not understand how cells do it?

Abe Eisenstark

Is there any molecular resemblance of a current bacterial membrane to mitochondrial membranes?
This is most vividly illustrated by the membranes of mitochondria and chloroplasts, both of which descend from endosymbiotic eubacteria. No one knows for sure how ancient these partnerships are, but since all extant eukaryotes apparently derive from a common ancestor (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16572163) endowed with mitochondria, this one must go back one or two billion years, and possibly more.
Abe Eisenstark

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