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April 26, 2010

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I think there may be a difference between occasional anaerobiosis and the permanent one of these creatures.

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This truly is an amazing find! However, when looking through their paper, it appears that their only argument for the mystery organelles being hydrogenosomes is that they, um, "look" like hydrogenosomes.http://www.panbeadsstore.com/pandora-chains/pandora-gold-chain-w18.html

John Trawick

One question that might be asked is where do these anaerobic metazoans obtain cellular components that require oxygen for synthesis? Membrane sterols and unsaturated fatty acids in eukaryotes each have an O2-requiring step in their biosynthetic pathways.
Presumably, like some other eukaryotes, they could acquire sterols and UFA from food--eating the detritus that falls down into their anaerobic domain.

Fascinating! Many thanks for enlightening us.

Elio

Welkin

Elio! I am compelled to point out not one, but two striking similarities between the Lorax and yourself. First, and most importantly, you both speak passionately on behalf of those who "have no tongues" (in your case, the Small Things, for The Lorax, the Truffula Trees). Second, well... anyone who is interested can Google image results for "Lorax" and compare them with picture at the top of this page. Or try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lorax

Welkin,
Is the second good or bad?
Elio

Nathan Myers

I'm mystified. I had been given to understand that cnidarians, and even many fish, happily switch to anoxic metabolism when they find themselves without. Is the surprise that lociferans can even reproduce without oxygen?

I think there may be a difference between occasional anaerobiosis and the permanent one of these creatures.

Elio

Psi Wavefunction

Correction: To be fair, the authors wrote hydrogenosome-LIKE organelles; everyone else seems to have ditched the -like part and gone along with the hydrogenosome story...

Elio Schaechter

It's hard to find fault with your statements. I also believe that they could have firmed up the argument for or against hydrogenosomes, with relatively little effort. I imagine that such experiments are under way. Anyhow, I;m glad that you agree that this is an interesting and potentially very important piece of work.

Elio

Psi Wavefunction

This truly is an amazing find! However, when looking through their paper, it appears that their only argument for the mystery organelles being hydrogenosomes is that they, um, "look" like hydrogenosomes. There's a few people in our department who'd have a fit about that, as not only could those blobs technically be -anything-, but not all reduced mitochondria are hydrogenosomes -- there are also plenty of mitosomes (eg. as in microsporidia) and mitochondria-like-organelles (MLOs) that represent varying degrees of mitochondrial reduction, and do not synthesise H2. There's a nice paper discussing various reduced mitochondria by Stechmann et al. 2008 Curr Biol here: http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articlerender.cgi?accid=pmcA2428068 (hopefully free access)

I would've expected them to do some basic staining (eg. MitoTracker should probably work) at the very least before they claim those organelles are mitochondrial-derived, and would've hoped for some biochemical analyses prior to claiming those as hydrogenosomes specifically. Also, hydrogenosomes tend to attract endosymbiotic methanogens in the parabasalian examples, so one could make some guesses by identifying the reported bacterial endosymbionts, although that would still be quite sketchy.

Basically, I'm kind of annoyed they jumped to the conclusion those are hydrogenosomes without really having investigated that matter properly, and that the scientific community hasn't really bothered to tread as carefully as we should...

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