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August 02, 2010

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Mark O. Martin

Thanks, Elio: we are up to almost 70 Talmudic Questions! I probably need to print out the questions and post them.

On my office desk is a book, "The Intellectual Devotional." Supposed it helps you think about an interesting issue each day, to keep your mind cranking along.

You could *easily* create something similar for Microbial Supremacists.

"A Talmudic Question a day helps keep paradigm paralysis at bay!"


Mark, great minds.... Yes, we're thinking of that.
Many thanks,

Elio

mschaech@sunstroke.sdsu.edu

From Elio:

Mark, yes, one of our first TQs asked if there are places on Earth where there is free water but no microbes. See http://schaechter.asmblog.org/schaechter/2007/03/talmudic_questi.html
We got some lively answers, worth considering.

Brett, thanks for the reference and the interesting point regarding the vesicles.

Brett Baker

To answer your question about the viruses Nathan. Yes, the viral population has been sequenced. There's a lot of ongoing work on this in Jill Banfield's lab.

Virus Population Dynamics and Acquired Virus Resistance in Natural Microbial Communities Anders F. Andersson, et al. Science 320, 1047 (2008)

FYI; In the first ARMAN paper (Science 2006) in the supporting materials we characterized ARMAN we also published EM images of vesicles in the community. These are significantly smaller (~50 nm) and do contain DNA, but NOT ribosomes. They are are too small for ribosomes. I guess these are what others have called nanobes, silly.

Thanks for the interest in ARMAN, there is surely a lot let to be discovered with them!

Mark O. Martin

Nathan, that is a great point. Some Pseudomonas generate membrane vesicles that have DNA in them! And not just Pseudomonas, apparently. And not just DNA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18459967

Add to it the gene transfer agent issue:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17184993

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17513139

So sometimes, viruses may not contain viral DNA!

And finally, the problems with Nanoarchaeum equitans---the "universal primers" weren't universal enough!

So when any researcher observes small structures that look like viruses, even that contain nucleic acids, care must be taken...and I still wonder if, in these harsh and strange and wonderful environments, we might find remnants of *really* unusual horizontal gene transfer, just as Carl Woese suspected in the early days of evolution.

Nathan Myers

Has anybody sequenced these viruses? Do we know whether they are really viruses at all?

Mark O. Martin

Elio, I presented this paper to my class last semester---it was almost *too* weird for them! I do think that, by examining the unusual, we can better understand the commonplace.

First off, any place there is a redox difference (and liquid water), we seem to have microbial life. In fact, that may be a Talmudic Question for you---"Is there any environment on Earth with liquid water that possesses no microbial life?" (you may have already asked that...).

The ARMANs are getting pretty tiny, but the final image you show reminds me that even in these tiny beasties, there is enough room for ribosomes! I'll bet it is pretty viscous in their, with the amount of DNA in the available volume.

I love this idea of how small a microbe can be---I watched the rise and fall of the "nannobacteria" concept, and am waiting to hear more about "nanobes":

http://www.astrobio.net/exclusive/983/nanobes-a-new-form-of-life

The DNA staining might be apatite rather than DNA? I sure don't know.

As for the odd genomes, I look at ARMANs, and the weird tube-structures, and the archaeal cell-cell connections, and I wonder: are these relics of Carl Woese's "pre-Darwinian period," where organisms shared genes to an extent far beyond the current HGT promiscuity we observe (http://mmbr.asm.org/cgi/content/full/68/2/173)?

The weird and the wonderful have much to teach us. Thanks for that post!

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