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August 09, 2010

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Welkin

Peter, I had a similar thought about pets - never tested any, but I had wondered if pets could be a portal for XMRV, for example if there is a veterinary vaccine that is contaminated with the virus, it could be picked up that way. Coldtoes- I had never thought of using Facebook to keep tabs on what's going on, that's a great idea.

Peter Medveczky

Welkin, yes, I agree, infection during the early embryogenesis stage is entirely possible.
Regarding XMRV, we hypothesized that CATS, especially half-domesticated animals, could be a logical source of XMRV. We tested about 10 cats using a few primers, so far negative, but you maybe more lucky up in New England!

coldtoes

Thanks Welkin - had a listen to Dr Singh on TWIV. Excellent and fair analysis by her I felt, pointing out to those patients rushing ahead to ideas of a cure that of course XMRV could be a bystander or a co-factor.
I lurk around the XMRV-interest patient groups on facebook etc so I pick up what the latest research is. But I do not subscribe to the view that easy answers and instant treatments can be found.
I was interested in the discussion between you, Peter and Nathan about germline integration possibly through the gametes. I have often wondered about this when you consider families where, say, a great-grandfather has childhood fevers and TB, grandfather seems fine, his daughter has miscarriages, rheumatoid arthritis then comes birth of autistic grandchild. There was much discussion about this among 19th century doctors where they observed similar generational skips and jumps but using the terms rheumatic disease, scrofula, imbecilism and rickets (and of course attributed it all to poverty and poor cleanliness).

Welkin

Hi Coldtoes - thanks for the links! I'm bookmarking your blog. XMRV is this year's big story in retrovirology, one I've followed closely (I happen to know some of the players both here and in the UK). Second to possible disease associations, the big question in my mind is how and where did a mouse retrovirus get into the human population? And could we be picking up other passengers the same way? The best discussions I've heard (the most balanced anyway, given the little we know at present) have been on a podcast called "This Week In Virology" at TWIV.TV Last week's TWIV with Dr. Ila Singh was I thought quite clear about what we do and don't know - I note that Dr. Singh is also collaborating with the authors of the original CFS study to see if they can get an independent confirmation of the results. She seems to be keeping an open mind, also exploring the original connection to prostate cancer. If you flip back over the year's podcasts, they have revisited XMRV on 4 or 5 occasions.

Welkin

A follow up to Peter and Nathan's discussion on the route of germline integration - another possibility, which has been seen experimentally for murine retroviruses, might be infection of a very early stage embryo/fetus in a pregnant HHV-6 positive woman. Integration at this step in embryogenesis would include cells that would ultimately differentiate into germline tissue. I could imagine a lot of opportunity for this to happen during gestation, and even if access to the embryo were a low likelihood event, when it happens that one integrant would then be in half the gametes produced by the son/daughter.

coldtoes

That should have read "Arbuckle et al's work" not yours, of course.

coldtoes

Thank you, thank you Welkin! - for your research, for an excellently communicated summary of your work, and for your desire to discover even more about this important factor for the 21st century human, which has for so long been considered a less attractive area for research.

"the smart money would have been on a retrovirus": Absolutely! I have had my doubts for a little while but, hey, I'm just your average Joe.
http://coldtoesonchronicillness.blogspot.com/2009/08/herpes-not-so-simplex.html
http://coldtoesonchronicillness.blogspot.com/2010/01/patience-patience.html

Peter Medveczky

Nathan,

The germline transmission is a real puzzle. Since most HHV-6 infections occur early in life and HHV-6 disseminates during the primary infection it could also latently infect developing oocytes or sperm cells.

Peter Medveczky

Welkin,
I speculate that HHV-6 typically integrates in a single chromosome because it is replicating very inefficiently; we never get more than 1000 infectious units per ml of virus in "lytically" infected cells. On the other hand, Marek's disease virus of chicken (MDV), which also encodes telomeres, integrates in multiple sites of chromosomes that looks like all telomeric, see the old paper; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC413595/pdf/emboj00080-0283.pdf
You can produce much higher titers of MDV. Of course, it is equally possible that once HHV-6 integrates the cell is resistant to superinfection. This can be tested experimentally.

Welkin

Thanks Peter, I think your paper is fascinating, so much so I'm tempted to study Roseoloviruses myself (we work on retroviruses). I was wondering about the fact that reported cases seem to be a single integration; does this reflect a low probability of germline integration, or alternatively, could the virus possibly have a mechanism for preventing superinfection/limiting integrations to one per cell as part of it's normal replication?

Nathan Myers

STC succeeds again in making my universe reel. Thank you, Welkin, and Peter.

I wonder why (or whether) HHV-6 is unique in more or less routinely achieving integration into the host germline.

Peter Medveczky

Thanks Welkin!
I would like to point out that inheritance of integrated HHV-6 is much a more common event than appreciated. For example, Catherine Hall
(Hall CB, et al. (2008) Chromosomal integration of human herpesvirus 6 is the major mode of congenital human herpesvirus 6 infection. Pediatrics 122(3):513-520.) and colleagues estimate that as much as 1% of the US population carries the virus in every cell of their body. Similar data are available from people in Great Britain; about 1% of Britons inherit the virus.

The great question is what specific diseases are linked with this condition. A prime suspect is the so-called Chronic Fatigue Syndrome or CFS. We now are studying 5 families with inherited HHV-6. Interestingly, some but not all of the HHV-6 members of the family suffer from CFS. Since the virus genome is present in only one chromosome allele it is possible that disease may only manifests if the virus-invaded chromosome is active.

Another possible factor in disease promotion is the putative viral integrase U94/rep. This HHV-6 protein is transduced from an adeno-associated virus integrase/recombinase. Again, one can speculate that the U94/rep gene, that is expressed in latency, may promote recombinations of chromosomes leading to genetic diseases.

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