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January 31, 2011

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Merry

Hi, Paul,

It is very pleasing to hear that you (and perhaps others) think about items in our posts for days afterwords!

As to "epigenetics," I appreciate your point of view. That is why I did NOT use the term in the post itself, even though it was in the title of the featured paper. Perhaps the authors chose it to emphasize that the state is inherited and can be stable for many generations.

We may encounter more terminology issues similar to this in the future because "genetics" came to be gene focused, and any mechanism of inheritance other than or in addition to a nucleotide sequence is both suspect and in need of a term to classify it.

Lastly, your point about ways to "genetically program a discrete probability distribution" is an important one. Stochastic events meet natural selection.

Paul Orwin

I've been thinking about this for a few days, and the thing that I am having problems with is the use of the term "epigenetics". I think bistability and oscillatory gene regulation are fascinating (they appeal to the math dork in me), but I always associate epigenetics with things like methylation patterns that allow for changes in gene expression levels to be passed from one generation to the next, rather than simply "aspects of phenotype that are not directly from genotype" - or am I interpreting this incorrectly? This seems like a way to genetically program a discrete probability distribution. In other words, based on the ratios of regulator required for either state, you can adjust the probability of each state (so in a different strains, the ratio of motile to sessile might be 3:1, or 10:1, or 1:1, under the same conditions, just because they have different regulatory variants). I guess that what I don't see is why this is "epigenetics"? Is it just my ignorance here (freely admitted!)?

Mark O. Martin

I would add this, Merry. I have long been interested in "unstable phenotypes," which we have all seen (sectored colonies, etc). Sometimes these are due to well understood mechanisms, but often note.

The "bet hedging" model is lovely, and reminds me of this story from a few years ago:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC280332/

Doug Bartlett was able to show that an IS element would hop in and out of an EPS gene regularly (or irregularly?). When in the EPS gene, the bacterium was not "sticky" and did not attach to surfaces. When the IS element precisely excised, it lead to synthesis of the EPS, and a "sticky" phenotype allowing it to adhere to surfaces. Thus---another "metastable bimodal switch" that would allow both colonization of surfaces and dispersal to new sites?

Mark O. Martin

Wow, Merry. Simply wow. That was a tour de force (or however it is spelled, my "culture" is associated with 2059 tubes). I was just talking about this kind of thing in class. I tip my hat, literally.

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