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March 10, 2011

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Moselio Schaechter

Re: [Small Things Considered] Mark O. Martin submitted a comment to "Talmudic Exobiology Redux"


Mark,

Nic words, as is usually the case form you. I changed the name from Ami to Merry.

Be well,

Elio

Mark O. Martin

Thanks, Merry and Elio----see the value of STC?

Relevant to this post, for Christmas my wife bought me one of those huge (and too expensive!) ecospheres---9 inches in diameter, with algae and shrimp. Of course, I cannot see the real "movers and shakers" in the glass sphere: the Small Masters!

Ami Bachar

As far as I know it was Baas-Becking indeed. I gave initials "BB" in the original post and that was later changed to Beijerinck. I guess that saying can be attributed to both.

There is a wonderful paper by Rutger de-Wit (one of the nicest scientists I had the pleasure to learn from):

DE WIT, R., BOUVIER, T. (2006). “Everything is everywhere, but, the environment selects”; what did Baas-Becking and Beijerinck really say? Environmental Microbiology 8, 755-748

Ami,
This is most useful, plus it's a nice piece of history. Many thanks,

Elio

Mark O. Martin

I love this topic, and the discussion which has followed...

But I have a question. In the material above, I read:

"Everything is everywhere and the environment selects" (Martinus Beijerinck)"

I thought that was a quote from Baas-Becking? Since I use that quote a lot, I would appreciate knowing if I have been misquoting!

Russell Neches

Nathan --

Arr. Sinks, I know. Please enjoy the free-range prose, raised without the cage of copy editing.

Moselio Schaechter

Re: [Small Things Considered] Nathan Myers submitted a comment to "Talmudic Exobiology Redux"


M,

You need to set him straight!!!!

E

Nathan Myers

One last thing: when you have a source, what you need is a sink, not a sync.

Russell Neches

Oh, regarding protection by Earth's magnetic field, the answer is once again just the opposite of what one might guess.

You would actually want an orbit FAR FAR away from Earth's magnetic field. The protection from solar wind we enjoy down here at the surface is thanks to a rather violent magnetic environment up in space, courtesy of Earth's geodynamo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

Russell Neches

Ami --

My original guess (without calculation) for the equilibrium temperature was totally wrong! That's why I was thinking about shielding the bottle from the sun inside a rotating drum. It turns out you need to do exactly the opposite. Then, our Friendly ASM Blog Overlords told me they were going to promote my off-the-cuff comment to a full-fledged blog post, and so I decided to actually do the calculation. It turns out that not only was I wrong, but the situation was exactly the opposite of what I thought it would be.

I suppose there is a lesson for me in here somewhere.

To answer your question about the system probably not lasting for more than a thousand years, I think ecological instability would probably end the experiment. If all the primary producers suddenly got wiped out by phage (which is certainly possible in such a small system), that would end the experiment.

Ami Bachar

Very nice post by Russell.
My reply was to an original different text by Russell as was published and then unpublished later on. Well done.

Kind regards,
Ami Bachar

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