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September 26, 2011

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Blind Bat

wow, who would have thought there was so much going on with bacteria!

Randall Flagg

Even after reading the original article, I don't think I do understand the difference between these and organelles? Aside from "prokaryotes aren't supposed to have them." (...so they promptly turn around and have some, just to show the futility of taxonomic rules in microorganisms.) If these get proclaimed a species, does that mean mitochondria are ("Still?") as well?

Gotta love organisms that break the rules.

You correctly point out the problem with trying to neatly distinguish bacterial endosymbionts and organelles. One could argue that the two look different in EM thin sections or in other ways, but not enough work has been done to make this into a serviceable distinction. I see two possibilities: A. the two will turn out to be distinct by some set of criteria yet to be fully worked out, or, B. there is a continuum from typical organelles to typical bacteria. At this time, I think it's up in the air. But we'll agree, won't we, that the subject is fascinating, right?
Elio

Nathan Fisher

"What are the next experiments you’d like to see done with these mealybug bugs?"

Can this system of interdependence be targeted for pesticide action? And if so, would resistance emerge less frequency than for other pesticides?

Panic Attacks

Such an interesting article about bacteria. Living inside, within, and partnering with other bacteria - it's no wonder that they have the ability to reproduce so fast.

I am no expert when it comes to these matters but reading your blog does help me learn more about things that are very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

allen laskin

Since Thanksgiving is not too far away, this post made me think of "turducken." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken

Allen Laskin

John Ireland

I have to admit that I linked to this article right away, we are covering endosymbiosis in my General Bio class right now and these are great examples of this underappreciated way of life.

Alex Wild

"What are the next experiments you’d like to see done with these mealybug bugs?"

As an ant guy I'd take a look up a trophic level, of course. Ants that depend heavily on honeydew often have their own endosymbionts (like Blochmannia in carpenter ants), and it may be possible for the symbioses inside the mealybug to have consequences as far away as the gut ecology of honeydew-feeding insects.

Learn something new every day. Many thanks.

Elio

Barry

Right on! genomes are not islands. This reminds me of Elysia chlorotica (I think you posted a blog entry?) who is born with genes from Vaucharia's nucleus, in its own nucleus to help its acquired Vaucharia chloroplasts to produce chlorophyl becuse the chloroplasts no longer have all the genes for it.

and i recall we were having a discussion about how this evolves because the proteins need tags to guide them across membranes but at some point they have to travell in the opposite direction if their genes transfer to another host.

all very confusing.

Speaking of Matrayoshka, i'm reminded that we've found that a host of eukaryotes are nested inside each other: there is a dinoflagelate which contains remains of a haptophyte which contains remains of a rhodophyte which contains remains of a cyanobacteria!

from "Tracing the Thread of Plastid Diversity through the Tapestry of Life", Charles F. Delwiche

"The best case for a true tertiary
plastid is in the fucoxanthin-containing dinoflagellates
Gymnodinium breve, Gymnodinium galatheanum, and Gy-
rodininium aureolum. In these taxa the plastids have both a pigmentation and ultrastructure reminiscent of the plastids of haptophytes (or “coccolithophorids”), a group ofmarine algae with calcareous scales that have secondaryplastids. A recent molecular phylogenetic study has confirmed that these plastids are derived from haptophytes (T. Tengs, O. J. Dahlberg, K. Shalchian-Tabrizi, C. Delwiche, D. Klaveness, K. Rudi, and K. S. Jakobsen, unpublished manuscript), and as there is no evidence of a nucleomorph or other endosymbiont nucleus, these plastids seem to be true tertiary organelles."

Now it would be great if some of these Gymnodinium were zooxanthellae in other organisms or if the zooxanthellae also contained Haptophyte matryoyoshka. this article suggests to me that it's possible:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/8568/comparison_of_phylogenies_based_on_nuclearencoded_ssu_rdna

what fun! I knew back in high school that Margulis was onto something

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