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November 26, 2012

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S David H de Lorge

Great stuff! It appears that The Selfish Gene may be a good deal more broadminded than originally supposed. Or is that a good deal less narrow-minded? Totally fun to look at social dynamics in terms of eons, rather than plain old epics.

Anyway, I was musing over apoptosis while listening (as a newbie) to one of the TWIMs, and wondered about pronunciation and how comprehension might be expanded with cognizance of etymology.

Not to be any more picky than I am with myself, I stumbled over the verbalization "aypop-tosis." I don't think I ever got any fussier in my own verbalizations, but it appeared suddenly that "apo-ptosis" might do the concept more justice. (It's okay with me if we keep the English convention of silencing the "p" in "ptosis," although this brings up the original problem again.)


So what do we suppose ptosis is anyway, and how is it modified by prefixing apo?

Yours in delegation of simple research,
Dave

Hollis

In these situations, are cells really dying for the benefit of others? Or are they being killed, forced to die by their neighbors that are fitter in some way or in better situations? (from a naive reader)

Heidi replies: Regardless of whether the cells are dying or being killed, the resulting wrinkles benefit the entire biofilm by making the surface much more repellant to antibiotics and antiseptics than mutant biofilms that cannot wrinkle (see the article linked at the end of the fourth paragraph in the post). The question of whether the cells are dying or being killed by their neighbors has not yet been elucidated. I can imagine a scenario in which fitter neighbors near the regions of high cell density in the biofilms secrete a signal that induces cell death in the neighboring cells and in this case the cells would be forced to die by their neighbors. On the other hand, the cells could be packed together so tightly by the matrix components that the increasing external force on cells triggers death. In this case cells would indeed be dying for the benefit of others as this cell death relieves tension at the biofilm surface (although one could argue that the cells are indirectly being killed by neighbors, since cell crowding causes the excess force on cells). Death could also require both a signaling molecule and the increasing pressure on cells. Elucidating the signal and the resulting mechanism of death in these cells will no doubt provide an exciting addition the field of bacterial programmed cell death.

barry

biofilm smiley faces is funny.

prokaryotes to eukaryotes: are you suggesting that there are homologous proteins involved in the signal cascades for cell death between prokaryotes and eukaryotes? is there even homology between dictyostelium and vertebrates?

and i've always wondered whether the cells that become stalk cells in dictyo are ones in the population that are too starved to make spores, or too young in the cell cycle to do it...

Heidi replies:
There are indeed related proteins (not necessarily homologs, but at the very least proteins with similar functions) involved in programmed cell death in prokaryotes and eukaryotes. In fact, this paper LINK1 suggests that common facets of programmed cell death exist between bacteria, plants, and animals and gives evidence that the Bcl-2 and holin proteins are evolutionarily related. The paper proposes that eukaryotic programmed cell death arose after the emdosymbiotic acquisition of bacteria to create the mitochondria and chloroplasts. Additionally, the paper references some articles that describe apoptosis-like features in bacteria (references 10 and 11). I am not a dictyostelium expert, so I will refrain from commenting on that part of your question, but if anyone has further insights into dicty, feel free to share!

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